For me, it’s just a really simple piece of context in the original post. Intuit, lobbied against the legislation for years and failed. The opposing lobby won, and we got free taxes. So why are you talking about lobby’s when clearly in the context of this post, they succeeded in bringing us good legislation. Which was reversed by a dictator taking a bribe. I do appreciate your interest in engagement in US politics. I just really need to point this fact out because it is annoying.

I didn’t even catch the last sentence. OK you’re not from the US and that makes sense. You have a better understanding of US politics the most US citizens. I for one I’m ashamed of that, but you do not have a full grasp of US politics or the history behind them or the processes we use and why we use them. Mixing up words and demonizing normal shit is how we got here

The post we’re commenting other states two things. They lobbied against it for years(and failed).

They donated $1 million to the inauguration dinner and more than likely the campaign to elect Trump…. And that beat out their lobbying investment: lobbying a part of democracy. Unlimited political contributions to pay to manipulate lobbying is undemocratic.

My point is you guys missed the whole point of the meme that we’re discussing under? Paid lobbying is a real job. Funneling money to lawmakers is not, there is nothing wrong with a paid lobbyist because they exist outside of corporate interests.

Campaign contributions do not equal lobbying. You are talking about unlimited campaign contributions. And calling it lobbying: I am pointing this out because your lack of civic education has brought a goddamn dictatorship upon this country

When we were legalizing cannabis in Maine the local growers had to form a lobby to fight against the out of state corporate growers who also had a powerful lobby. Banning lobbying doesn’t help it just takes away peoples voices. Lobbying is just a group of people pooling resources to enact common legislation or political goals. It’s an important part of the political process people neglect. and it’s been diluted by money. Don’t need to dilute it further with misinformation.

I mean someone has to pay the lobbiests. The National Organization for women pays lawyers to write laws for them to present to congress, through lobbiests who are also paid. You want feminist groups who are allowed to write feminist laws and present them to congress right? You want someone to advocate for laws you want right? That’s lobbying?

Citizens united is what you guys are thinking of. The one where corporations can donate infinite money to politicians? So when a corporate lobby brings anti-feminist legislation, they then contribute lots of money to the politician they are lobbying. And magically the politican ignores their voters and sides with the anti-feminist pro corporate law. That’s citizens united. It’s not a problem with lobbying. You have a problem with corporate lobbys not womans rights lobbys right? You have a problem with your representatives favoring corporate lobbys because they get infinite money throught… DRUM ROLL… Citizens united.

I really hope this helps.

There is nothing wrong with lobbying…. There are lobbies for woman’s rights, black rights, all sorts of good causes have lobbies.

The politicians just bend over for corporate lobbies. Very important distinction. I think what would fit your argument better is will never happen as long as citizens United exists.